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Alan
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 posted on 29-7-2005 at 18:07 |
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Grosso pivot board???
What the hell is this?
Someone must have the answers! 
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grossorg
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![[*]](./images/corporate/default_icon.gif) posted on 30-7-2005 at 01:38 |
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yea man,
itīs not much of a mystery, grosso has been growing...
the last year we have worked to have our factory working...
a 30tons press, woodwork machines, al the stuff to stamp the boards well yea everything...
and it is happening... we have a big 13 x 13mtr 8th flor where we press and cut not only streetboards, but skateboards, mountainboards... wel anything
that is wood laminated really... hope to bring money into the sport by selling other boards...
i have been quiet... iīv been working...
later people,
pipo |
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Nick
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| posted on 3-8-2005 at 06:04 |
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I like the graphics...
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Alan
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 posted on 9-8-2005 at 01:13 |
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Response straight from Pipo himself:
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First of all GrossO pivotboards are not WSA standard.
(the kingpin is of centered to be able to make the center decks with a super wide neck so the boards donđt brake every day. 12cm wide... Not 9cm like
others with wsa standard.
We will provably add the J1 system in our boards, so it will definitely be different. (if people don't want it, they can take it off and it will be
the same)
The pivoting system we have is way different from all the rest. First of all the king-pin is 8mm (same as the wheels.)
and I have never broken one yet. Last week I have seen 2 different dimension king-pins brake. The head of the kingpin is too thin...
Where it pivots it's a 3mm thick Teflon washer. This Teflon washer is much better because it's "thinner" than the bearings,"No squeaking
sounds", "Lighter" and last but not least "softer", and it bends... This means that the link between footplate and center deck is not metal but Teflon!!!, that is one of the main reason dimension's center deck
brake so often.
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I'm not sure about the WSA incompatability but the Teflon washer sounds promising....
[Edited on 9-8-2005 by Alan]
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grossorg
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| posted on 9-8-2005 at 15:12 |
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ok,
first of all, i wouldnt of talked so much about dimension if I knew it was going to be posted...
Alan,
yea itīs promissing, the "Grosso pivoting system" works exelent, and this week we have added a leather washer that prevents the kingping nut from
loosening,(by containing the vibration on the nut with a soft, organic material) and also is super good for tightening the kingpin till itīs
tightening limits...
i dont know how to explain it in english properly, but itīs a very logical concept, itīs like a pad inside the pivot syetem that contains the
vibration and also the hard beatings, containing the kingpin tightness... ítīs great!!!
ohh one small coment about the new pics section: my pic sucks...
itīs not a nosegrab, but a method, the pic was taken too late...
alan can i send you a pic to replace it?
cheers
pipo
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Alan
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| posted on 9-8-2005 at 20:34 |
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Yes of course you can send me a new pic  Send me as many as you like!
Sorry about posting your e-mail - I didn't want to re-write what you said but I thought it would be cool for everyone to hear about the teflon pivot
system 
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Alex
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| posted on 12-8-2005 at 18:08 |
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Pipo
im sorry, as nice as your board looks, and probably feels to ride, you are takign the first steps towards the beginning of the end.. of the beginning
of our reborn sport.
by not conforming your board to the WSA standard, you're harming the market.
sorry man, this just doesn't look like the way forward.
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| posted on 13-8-2005 at 18:12 |
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are you guys going to get it licensed? |
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| posted on 16-8-2005 at 15:06 |
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This board seems to be wicked. But with my greatest respect to you Mr.Grosso, if there is a possibility to make it WSA standard would be great!
Fx Harbec |
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unassembledandy
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| posted on 16-8-2005 at 16:14 |
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my biggest problem with it (ok maybe not the biggest)
is the "pivotboard" on there, please pipo dont go there....
ANDY |
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grossorg
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| posted on 16-8-2005 at 20:13 |
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unassembledandy / Harbec
iīm sorry itīs not WSA standard, but i understand that this is the best pivot system i have seen, and it works with this hole set up, and itīs not
bad at all, it works perfect!!!....
oviously some will say itīs not that good, but ohh well life is like that...
who knows, maybe someday the standards change...
in the grosso workshop we can make any kind of board, WSA standard too, maybe in the future we make board with WSA standard... why not, if people
want to buy them great, but i as a pro rider i sugest this kind of boards.
alan, did you get the pic??? post it bro
hope to answer any other cuestion you may have about our boards...
laters
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Alan
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| posted on 16-8-2005 at 21:43 |
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yep
uh huh I got the pic...but you named it "frontside"!
Frontside what? I think you're regular so I've named it fs mute...
I'm probably wrong so let me know what it is!
Anyone else who has cool pics please post them here and I'll add them to the media section. Information section is coming soon...it's gonna rawk,
but is taking ages!
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| posted on 19-8-2005 at 13:42 |
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Hmmm....
Just in response to Alex here really.
I disagree that Pipo could possibly be harming the market. I think that any company making boards, and creating new riders, is a good thing.
As for the WSA standard, well I'm not too sure that the WSA standard is the best, to be honest. I think that to standardise something that hasn't
totally explored all possibilities, is choking the growth of an industry, and closing down possibilities.
I believe to be open minded is important at ANY stage of development. Maybe Pipo's design has something to offer the sport, and the riders, if so,
who is the person that should say he should not do it? I say that if any rider out there has an idea that may improve boards, and may create new
possibilites, then they should go for it.
It's a shame that people think our sport should be controlled, and held back.
Also, in relation to the market, Grosso boards are not sold where Dimension, or Highland boards are, so what market could they possibly be harming?
Your post Alex, seems like a very biased, negative, and unfair view to me. |
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| posted on 20-8-2005 at 18:17 |
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it would rick 
biased on whos side?
Alex |
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| posted on 26-8-2005 at 01:02 |
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Yea, i bet this board will be great
I allways thought that this dimension-bearingsystem is crap cause its too big, too EXPENSIVE and it breaks every minute.
Question: Everybody is talking about a WSA-Standart. Which standart? never seen one. compare the AS1a AS1b AS1c and AS2... they don't fit together.
Ok, mayB they do but its crap. look at the pivot, the early ones were great, but they were replaced by thinner new ones - so i can't use the old ones
with the new bearings. but the new ones break, thats crap. (or just the acknowledge of dimension that they aren't able to build better
centerdecks?)
I think grosso is on the right way. the decentered kingpin makes it possible on the one hand to strengthen the neck of the centerdecks, on the other
to get the kingpin through the truck.
mfg simon |
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| posted on 26-8-2005 at 07:48 |
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for the last week or so ive been trying to spot the difference in king pin evceryone is talking about and i just spotted it
:S i dont likie this at all, IT may be differnt but isnt this liek riding a board stood on the curves on ur footplate... if your foot isnt over the
kingpin its awkward to move and more effort.... and wouldnt this weaken the bar.... i meen its stronger for its extra width... but then its knocked
back down again by the kingpin being under extra stress on landings....
i agree that the WSA may not be the BEST standard and i respect you pipo for doing your own thingid personally for my better board...
have a plastic based pivot system with shock pads in (tinythinks liek a layer of rubber either side of the pivot (where it tocuhes wood)
id widen the neck of the bar
and i would widen the bolt stance of the trucks
tho thats not perfect but what id liek to try out not sure iff it would work but who knows |
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| posted on 26-8-2005 at 13:36 |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by unassembledandy
for the last week or so ive been trying to spot the difference in king pin evceryone is talking about and i just spotted it
:S i dont likie this at all, IT may be differnt but isnt this liek riding a board stood on the curves on ur footplate... if your foot isnt over the
kingpin its awkward to move and more effort.... and wouldnt this weaken the bar.... i meen its stronger for its extra width... but then its knocked
back down again by the kingpin being under extra stress on landings.... |
yea, mayB you're right. i trhink the best option would be to center the feet over the kingpings, but the kingpins not over the trucks.
Sure this would weaken the bar, BUT... if there are wide lether and teflon washers this shouldn't be any problem. most used bars are strong enough if
they are treated with a working pivotongsystem. (not these Iwannabreakmyselfandurbardimensionpivotongcrap)
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| posted on 26-8-2005 at 14:25 |
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lol my pivots system jsut says "made in china" on it..
but yeah good points mate
i think if grosso went WSA jsut to get people riding his shizz then he cud slowely start chaging things see how people flet
im defs a fan of the tefflon pivot IF it works but i want my fett centred ont he kingpin AND over te truck so seems its WSA for me |
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| posted on 26-8-2005 at 15:33 |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by unassembledandy
IT may be differnt but isnt this liek riding a board stood on the curves on ur footplate... if your foot isnt over the kingpin its awkward to move and
more effort.... and wouldnt this weaken the bar.... i meen its stronger for its extra width... but then its knocked back down again by the kingpin
being under extra stress on landings....
work but who knows |
good mornig dudessssssssssss,
ok, there are some things to have in mind...
when you place the bindings on the footplate, should do it over the wheel's axels, not over the kingpin.... doing this, you have no problem in
curves, because you are right over the weels, toes and heel over the wheels. it feals preety much the same as WSA really.)
talking about the kingping stress:
this kingping system goes trought the truck, so it's totaly stiff... dont even worry about that... i'v never broken one and let me say i have
smashed it very hard. i have not changed my board since i have this system... (and i dont consider myself what you say a week skater... :S)
wouldnt this weaken the bar?
no, it's way stronger...
come to argentinaland buy a board, or better then, come to
argentina, and i'll let you try one .
i can say many things about this board set up, the best way to comprehend is to see it in the flesh and give it a go...
respect to you all
pipo
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| posted on 26-8-2005 at 17:33 |
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yeah pipo, liek i said i respect you for doing it mate, really do its not easying making a board
yeah i know bout the binding setup and liek the idea.......
confused about all this pivot system... to be honest i MAY come to argintina as i will have more money this year sowant to travel more
and with your board being so cheep i may just buy one
yeah pipo you are hardcore totally
hey pipo..... could u make liek a little promo for the grossorg board? show us some tricks on it and like some close up pics of the footplates mving
and u jsut riding on flat.. so we can see it?
jsut an idea
ANDY
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| posted on 26-8-2005 at 19:18 |
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perhaps the decentered kingpin even makes it more easy to do smith and feeblegrinds cuz you move the bar to the side when steering. so u can smith and
feeble as if you had a wider bar |
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 posted on 27-8-2005 at 01:22 |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by inoX
perhaps the decentered kingpin even makes it more easy to do smith and feeblegrinds cuz you move the bar to the side when steering. so u can smith and
feeble as if you had a wider bar |
about that i duno..?? is that posibible?
mmmm i think i didnt understand...:S
anyway,
unassembledandy, talking about this trip you plan, i'd may even think about getting stuff together in argentina for riders to come over and skate at
the argentine skateparks, and while they are at it they can buy buy a board ...haha
what do you guys think?
is there a market for this? would riders be interested in coming over to argentina to skate, meet some ladies, party like motherfXXXX and buy a deck?
if they want....
is this posible??? hummmmm...
dude that would be sick!!!! |
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| posted on 27-8-2005 at 09:41 |
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it would be a good idea, bout many people would be reasured to buy a board (maybe what you want) but would make for an unseasy attitude...
i'll but argentina on my travel list, unfportunatly barca and gay paree (paris) are top dogs |
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| posted on 27-8-2005 at 16:23 |
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of course is what i want, it woud be a pleasure to have people come
to Argentina for their boards ...
unseasy attitude??? what does this mean?
baraca and gay paree..... guess i have to go there.. |
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| posted on 27-8-2005 at 19:41 |
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sorry my bad english
un-easy, offputting, BAD attitude, people may feel they HAVE to buy boards etc so would make them feel uncomfortable
im more than happy with my flare at the moment everything i want in a board right now and the qaulity is very high
good luck with your board pipo, try and get it legal... and bring it to worlds |
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